10/16/2005

Aspens turning on neoconland = Storm coming, infighting , Shut up Judy ?

Legend says that "aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking"... "another aspen characteristic--when a storm is coming the leaves all turn over".. Hmmm.. -- law

No more pardons at the Inn? (none / 0)

That's my conclusion, too, about the Aspens. "Turning in clusters" means one faction turning on the other, in order to save their own, connected-at-the-roots, asses.

the Aspen references were so... (4.00 / 4)

Out of the context of that letter from Libby, that they HAVE to be code. They think we're all so stupid they can talk code right out in front of us -- in legal letters about to be made public. What hubris! Sounds like Fitzgerald may have recognized the same.

by Larry Bailey on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 09:10:02 AM CDT

Is Fitzgerald a horticulturalist? (4.00 / 6)

I haven't seen anybody yet explain the reference to Aspen clusters and roots. Maybe it's obvious, but in any case Aspen trees grow in groups from the same root system--they're all linked together. The roots system is unusually durable and resilient. It can survive for hundreds or thousands of years. When it's damaged, the roots tend to send up new sprouts. The root systems even survive forest fires, so Aspens often dominate otherwise barren landscapes. Sounds like code to me.

I don't know why Libby referred specifically to their leaves turning. The most noticeable thing about Aspens is that their leaves quake easily in the wind, which has given rise to several myths. One of the myths says

that aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking.

It would be interesting to know whether Libby and Miller ever discussed aspen trees.

by smintheus on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 10:51:06 AM CDT

Color changing or storm coming (4.00 / 4)


Turning together: when I read this first I thought it was an allusion to the leaves changing color together (maybe combined with a flavor of turning state's evidence), but I just thought of another aspen characteristic--when a storm is coming the leaves all turn over. So this may be a reference to an impending storm.

by barbwires on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 12:57:34 PM CDT

on the other hand... (none / 0)

If aspens turn in clusters, perhaps he's talking about mutually turning on Cheney? After all, just from what we've seen in public, Libby clearly violated the Agee law, and possibly the Espionage law as well. He's going to jail for a LONG time, unless either he's pardoned, or he rats on someone more important... and the only person that might be is Cheney.

by Leggy Starlitz on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 11:24:38 AM CDT

Perhaps "turning" .... (none / 0)

"connect" and "clusters" wrapped in poetic license expresses his resignation, or fatalism, regarding the compilation of testimony and evidence ... that the dominoes - or aspens - are connected, aligned against him, and falling, and what Judy does is of little import, he is going down. And perhaps he thinks Cheney will get snagged in this web of fate, or it could be he was just referring to himself (and Rove). In any case, it has a certain sad and resigned quality to it: the jig is up. It could be just that.

by NYCee on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 01:27:26 PM CDT

No more pardons at the Inn? (none / 0)


That's my conclusion, too, about the Aspens. "Turning in clusters" means one faction turning on the other, in order to save their own, connected-at-the-roots, asses.

Now, we've all assume, me among ya, that Bush will pardon any and all who fall into Fitz' snare. But maybe that ain't the case?

Maybe Bush either believes that someone must take the Fall, for the good of party, including not getting pardoned. Because just maybe they're a leetle afraid of public wrath.

And Bush is just the kind of angry, childish bastard to WANT someone to go down, to punish for letting him suffer the Plame scandal.

Hence the scrambling among the infighters.

Now, Judy did two things: First, she corroborated LIbby's story vis a vis disclosing Plame's undercover status. Second, she pointed to Some Other Dude as the real culprit (gave her the name 'Valerie Flame')

Libby, knowing Rove is Bush's guy, knowing Libby is unlikely to get a Bush pardon, is maneuvering for Karl to take the fall. It makes sense, too, that Judy is in the Libby/Cheney camp--the neocons, etc., the WMD group. That's her aspen cluster.

by sharman on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 01:29:40 PM CDT

I should have been more explicit (none / 0)

about my own interpretation. I took Libby to be saying that everybody was connected. Any one member of the group dying off (leaves turning color) means they're all equally affected. It is less clear whether Libby also meant to remind her that their roots are deep and they can survive and come back from almost any disaster, as long as they keep their network intact. As for the myth, who knows whether he was suggesting she ought to keep her mouth shut.

by smintheus on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 02:46:43 PM CDT

Fitzgerald's no fool (none / 0)


Whether or not he can actually make anything come of it is quite another matter, of course.

And definitely a good catch here. This thing has too many layers for nothing to come of it.

by Mullibok on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 09:19:11 AM CDT
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