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Tolerance is on the Bible
They Bushies read Noah and Sodom in the Bible but they forgot to read Jonah and pay attention to the end of Noah's story
For the 'Theology impaired'
In Noah, after being forced to send the famous flood to cleanse the earth, God promissed to Noah that he would never 'zap' or drown people again. Guess Bushies missed that part
In Jonah, he tries to show Jonah, a fundie prophet of that time, that Jonah should have Mercy with the people of Ninehveh (guess where it is located ? In Iraq) and teach them right from wrong
Yet, even after being to the city and seeing how many innocent children, men and women live there in the middle of the sinners, he still wants God to 'zap' them... God then sends him a messenger to tell him Jonah is missing the point: Jonah should show mercy with all Ninehveh, because despite having a lot of sinners, there are still good people in there, and even sinners can repent...
As you can see, EVEN GOD 'flip/ flops'. He did zap Sodom and turned Lott's wife to salt when she turned to see the city one last time. And he did drown all those that chose not to join Noah.
Yet after Noah, he promissed not to do that again, and never did. He even specifically told Jonah he would not zap sinners, he would give them chance to repent.
I figure it's because he thought we as a race were evolving past the point we needed that harsh treatment to learn his lessons.
Another thing Bush fundies seem to completely ignore is all the Jesus teachings of mercy, compassion, charity, respect for the poor...
How to talk to a evangelist (none / 0)
Ask them what they think about gays. When they give you thier "Well, you know, stammer stammer" jive, ask them:
"Yeah, but is it sin?"
When they say yes, ask them about how they feel about gay people living in sin.
They will go on and on about how they *choose* sinfulness.
When they stop, remind them they we are all born into sin, that we are all sinners, and that only God can forgive a sinner through the baptism, and that it is not our place to judge *anyone* for *any* reason, because we are *all equal sinners* in the eyes of god.
Throw in the part about jesus asking "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone"
Remind them that passing judgement is a sin.
Ask the evangelical about welfare.
When they go on and on about how black people are gumming up the welfare system, mention to them that the east and west coast pay the most in taxes, and the midwest and south states recieve the most government aid. Also remind them that we just sent 200 billion dollars worth of welfare to Iraq, and that Dick Cheney's former company has a hell of a lot of it now. Ask them how they plan on feeding thier kids next month.
by roboton on Thu Nov 4th, 2004 at 21:00:31 CDT
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If they try to quote Leviticus (4.00 / 2)
drop one of these on them. Supposedly from a letter to Dr. Laura, but hard to tell the exact source as there's a few versions of it floating around on "The Internets":
Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that border us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. If my friend eats at Joe's Crabshack, is stoning appropriate?
Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
My neighbor, not the one who works on Sunday, but another one, has a garden. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments of different types of thread (cotton/polyester blend) Is it necessary to go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them. (Leviticus 24:10-16) Could just the people on my block do that?
He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.
by kensa on Thu Nov 4th, 2004 at 21:06:44 CDT
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OMG (none / 0)
I am laughing my ass off.
Is it necessary to go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them. (Leviticus 24:10-16) Could just the people on my block do that?
That was the funniest part for me.
I hope you don't mind, but I just emailed that to alot of people.
by buckeyekarl on Thu Nov 4th, 2004 at 21:30:43 CDT
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on gays: (none / 0)
ask them what their basis is for believing it is sin. if they say "abomination" point out the ridiculousness of the book of leviticus, where this quote comes from. that book also specifically allows slavery, makes adultery punishable with death by stoning, and calls eating pork an abomination.
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